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Geburtstagsparty – “Traditional” Vienna

February 16, 2016 by Derek Springer 29 Comments

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If you have spent even a little time reading my blog you know I am a big fan of Vienna Lager. Something about it strikes all right right chords for me: crisp, clean, full-flavored, well balanced between malt and hops, and just uncommon enough that I feel motivated to brew it consistently. Also, if you consume as much Mexican food as I do you know there are few beers that are as appropriate as a Vienna Lager to pair with a burrito. 🙂 My enthusiasm is infectious enough that now even my Internet buddies Marshall & Ray, Dan, Brian, and a few others have all jumped aboard the Vienna-train for NHC this year. I like to think I am doing my part to keep this style from getting dragged into the historical category.

The last time I wrote about Vienna Lager (Fiesta Cumpleaños) I came at it from the angle of a Mexican interpretation of the style, which tends to be a bit darker and with a lightly sweet/caramelly character. After publishing the article I got into correspondence with Andreas over at Daft Eejit Brewing (who has a great series on Vienna Lager) who convinced me to try brewing a more “traditional” version, consisting of mostly Vienna malt and just enough roasted malt for color. Well, I am convinced: I have brewed this “traditional” version a few times now and have been very pleased with how it turned out. I can hardly even think of things I would want to tweak with this recipe besides making more of it!

Read on for the recipe and some thoughts on making great Vienna lagers.

On Viennas

geburtstagsparty mashNeedless to say I have quite a few opinions on Vienna Lager, lots of folks try to over-complicate things or just plain miss the mark. I will start start by saying what a Vienna Lager is not:

  • Vienna Lager is not a “Baby Märzen.” In my opinion Märzen is over-sweet, over-rich, and lacking in hop balance. A Vienna, while toasty and rich, does not cross into the malt-bomb territory and should be well balanced by hop character.
  • Vienna Lager is not caramelly or sweet. Mexican lagers have descended down that rabbit hole and are a pale shadow of their former glory. The finish needs to be crisp, dry, and toasty–the opposite of caramel character.
  • Vienna Lager is not a showcase for every type of base malt. There is no need to add Pilsner, Vienna, and Munich malts in the same batch. Simplicity is key and Vienna malt will get you as far as you will let it take you. If you are concerned with being over-rich just blend in some Pilsner malt.

That said, in my opinion these are malts that should never be in a Vienna lager:

  • Munich malt – Vienna malt is already plenty toasty and melanoidin rich, adding Munich malt will only make it over-rich and push you into Dunkel or Märzen territory.
  • C-malts – Just say “no!” Vienna does not need or require any caramel character and Crystal/Cara malts will make it overly sweet. I find with higher percentage of high-lovibond base malts (Vienna, Munch) add a non-trivial amount of not-caramel, not-ester pseudo-fruitiness that is plenty enough character to satisfy your C-tooth.

So, what is a Vienna Lager? To call it the Vienna malt equivalent of a Pilsner sells it a little short, but also is not entirely inaccurate: Vienna Lager is a showcase for Vienna malt, plain and simple. All you really need is just enough of your favorite roasted malt to get the color right (and you sure do not need much) and you can just let Vienna malt do its thing. Add a clean, low-sulfur lager yeast and enough bitterness to balance the malt and baby, you got a stew going!

One important note on Vienna malt: understand which Vienna malt you are using. Vienna malts can vary anywhere between 2.5 L on the low end anywhere up to 7 L on the high end (looking at you, Gambrinus). The color greatly affects the toasty character and high Lovibond malts like Gambrinus’ are practically Munich territory. I am personally a fan of Weyermann Vienna, which is right in the “Vienna sweet spot” for me: not too light, not overly toasty. Try to find something in the 3-4 L range and I think you will be very pleased with the character!

Geburtstagsparty

This recipe is my “all-in” Vienna malt version and is one of my simplest recipes. It descended from my Mexican style Vienna I brewed for my father-in-law’s birthday and has shifted more and more Continental, hence the transition from a Spanish name to a German one.

Since malt is such a prominent feature of this beer it is important to get the best quality Continental Vienna malt you can get your hands on. I have been tempted to go 98% Vienna and 2% Blackprinz–I probably will next time I brew it–but this time I went with my standard mix of Carafoam and Melanoidin to replicate decoction. Otherwise, I am bonkers for the floral and slightly spicy character of Hallertauer hops and WLP830 German Lager is about as classic of a lager yeast as you can get.

Right now my lager schedule looks like:

  1. Pitch at 48ºF.
  2. Set to 50ºF before bed.
  3. Set to 51ºF the next morning.
  4. Set to 52ºF the morning after that.
  5. Set to 55ºF morning after that.

At this point krausen is starting to fall and I bump up temp 2ºF every 12 hours or so. Until I reach 65ºF. Leave it there for a week then start crashing, 5ºF every 12 hours.

Recipe Details

Batch Size Boil Time IBU SRM Est. OG Est. FG ABV
5.5 gal 60 min 24.9 IBUs 10.5 SRM 1.049 1.011 5.1 %

Style Details

Name Cat. OG Range FG Range IBU SRM Carb ABV
Vienna Lager 7 A 1.048 - 1.055 1.01 - 1.014 18 - 30 9 - 15 2.5 - 3 4.7 - 5.5 %

Fermentables

Name Amount %
Vienna Malt (Weyermann) 9.5 lbs 95
Melanoidin (Weyermann) 4 oz 2.5
Blackprinz (Briess) 2 oz 1.25
Carafoam (Weyermann) 2 oz 1.25

Hops

Name Amount Time Use Form Alpha %
Hallertauer 1.25 oz 60 min Boil Pellet 4.8
Hallertauer 0.5 oz 10 min Boil Pellet 4.8

Yeast

Name Lab Attenuation Temperature
German Lager (WLP830) White Labs 77% 50°F - 55°F

Mash

Step Temperature Time
Saccharification 152°F 60 min
Mash Out 168°F 10 min

Notes

Water profile: Ca 49 | Mg 6 | Na 22 | Cl 67 | SO4 67

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Tasting Notes

geburtstagsparty closeFollow along with the BJCP guide for Vienna Lager [PDF].

Aroma

Moderate/high toasty-rich malt dominates the aroma with a low amount of spicy/floral noble hop in the back-end. Clean and crisp with no sulfur or caramel notes. A dash of honey-like character in the far background which is similar to some of the classic Munich lagers I sampled fresh.

Appearance

A crystal clear reddish amber that is on the lighter side of the style than you might find with common commercial examples. A fluffy off-white head that persists and leaves excellent lacing in the glass. This beer looks so good I am tempted to throw up NSFW tags. 🙂

Flavor

Rich, elegant toasty malt reminiscent of crusty artisanal bread dominates with a soft, moderate bitterness which gives just enough balance to prevent it from being a malt-bomb. Low spicy/floral hop character and no esters, sulfur, or caramel. Balancy is malty/bitter and finishes clean and dry.

Mouthfeel

Medium/light body and moderate/high carbonation. There is a dryness that is juuuuust on the right side of astringent. The carb is maybe a tad too high, so I will try to off-gas it a bit before bottling. This should help round out the mouthfeel a little too.

Overall Impression

This might literally be the best beer I have ever brewed (or a close tie with the Kumquat Lambic I served at NHC in San Diego). It hits all the right stylistic notes and I personally can not get enough; I am a little worried I might drink it all before I get the chance to bottle some up for competition! This beer is crisp, clean, and poundable like a good sessionable lager should be.

If I were to change anything up I would maybe shoot for a point or two higher finishing gravity so I am not dancing right on the edge over-dry. Otherwise, do yourself a favor and try to go as all-in on Vienna malt as you are willing to let yourself go: absolutely ditch the Munich and Cara-malts, you just do not need them!

A funny aside: as I took the glass outside to take pictures in the sunshine it achieved just enough skunky character that the sample was the most perfect example of a Mexican lager that I have ever tasted made this side of the border. If I had not been in possession of the glass the entire time I would have bet you money that someone had replaced it with XX Amber. So, I guess if you are looking to go the Mexican-style Vienna route just make a nice clean traditional Vienna and skunk it up a little. 😛

Update

Check out the review of this Vienna made by the Brew Dudes!

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Comments

  1. Marshall Schott says

    February 17, 2016 at 5:19 AM

    Blegh, that beer looks like it tastes like poo!

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      February 17, 2016 at 7:27 AM

      OH SHIIIII…

      Reply
      • Marshall Schott says

        February 17, 2016 at 7:28 AM

        I taste with my eyes, big boy.

        Reply
  2. William Newton says

    February 17, 2016 at 7:52 AM

    I agree – this is an under-appreciated style. Good job!

    Reply
  3. gbrat says

    February 17, 2016 at 8:54 AM

    Interesting choice of malt. You say Munich should never be in a Vienna lager,, but then use Melanoiden. That always seems like a “super” Munich to me.
    But that said that color is awesome.
    And for that guy up there that tastes with his eyes,, that’s the old Vienna haze.

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      February 17, 2016 at 8:56 AM

      It’s only a dash, really. Just to replicate the effects of a decoction. Next time I brew I plan to go 98% Vienna and 2% Blackprinz for color.

      Reply
      • Todd says

        February 8, 2017 at 5:28 PM

        Did you brew the 98/2 Vienna? How’d it turn out?

        Reply
        • Derek Springer says

          February 8, 2017 at 5:58 PM

          I actually just brewed it last weekend, ended up being more like 99/1 😉

          I’ll let you know how it turns out.

          Reply
          • Todd says

            February 9, 2017 at 6:04 AM

            I’m going to brew a 99/1 carafa special 3 this Sunday. It may turn out a little light colored but I tend to get a slight touch of roast when using 2% or greater carafa. I was also thinking of trying Sinimar for color adjustment.

          • Derek Springer says

            February 9, 2017 at 7:08 AM

            The Vienna malt already has a bit of color to it, so a tiny amount of dark roasted malt goes a long way. 2 oz (assuming ~5 gal batch) will get you in the low end of the range (10 SRM or so) and 4 oz will get you to the high end.

          • Todd says

            February 15, 2017 at 11:09 AM

            Brewed the 99/1 the other day, the wort tastes outstanding, color was a nice deep copper

  4. Sam Burke says

    February 18, 2016 at 8:52 AM

    FYI… the BeerXML file has a fermentation/aging schedule for an ale, not the lagering schedule you mention above.

    This looks great and is jumping to the front of my planning pipeline!

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      February 18, 2016 at 8:55 AM

      Thanks for the heads up, that’s not a feature I’ve ever really used in BeerSmith, so it’s probably whatever the default is.

      Reply
  5. Brew Dude John says

    February 26, 2016 at 9:17 AM

    Hi Derek,

    I dig this style as well and have brewed it many times. I just bottled a batch last week. Would you be interested in doing a swap?

    Let me know.

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      February 26, 2016 at 9:22 AM

      Howdy John, that sounds great! I’ll be pulling some bottles off for NHC in the next week or so, I’ll grab an extra for you.

      Send me a DM @FiveBlades on twitter and I’ll connect with you there.

      Reply
  6. Brew Dude John says

    March 1, 2016 at 6:40 PM

    Sweet – will do.

    Reply
  7. Shenanigans says

    June 7, 2016 at 9:10 PM

    Hello Derek. I made this beer, based on the delicious write up and I have to say it really delivered! I used Nottingham, fermented low, however but still it is very good. Thanks for the inspiration to try something different and the recipe 🙂

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      June 8, 2016 at 6:44 AM

      Hey, that’s really great! So glad you liked it, I’m excited folks are getting into Viennas and the simple complexity of a all-Vienna malt base. Cheers!

      Reply
  8. Joey says

    June 14, 2016 at 8:10 AM

    Bit late to the party but I brewed a batch inspired by your post, bill is 94% vienna 2% Malnoidin, 2% Carafa Special 3, 2% Carapils

    It turned out pretty great! Although a bit dark for the style. I’ll be brewing that again for sure.

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      June 14, 2016 at 8:16 AM

      Mine comes out right on the line of light amber, but I’ve def had batches in the past that were light brown. Those dark malts go a long way!

      Glad you liked the recipe!

      Reply
  9. Todd Wohlbier says

    April 3, 2017 at 9:02 AM

    99/1 Vienna/carafa3 is delicious. Here’s a pic of mine at the bottom of the page.
    http://forum.germanbrewing.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&p=7536#p7536

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      April 3, 2017 at 9:05 AM

      Very nice, making me thirsty!

      Reply
  10. Todd Wohlbier says

    April 3, 2017 at 11:10 AM

    Thanks for the inspiration, it will be in my regular rotation.

    Reply
  11. Matthew Coomber says

    September 11, 2018 at 10:03 AM

    Hey Derek,
    Newbie question here: first lager. Got the wort in my bucket, popped it in the fermentation chamber on Sunday night at 48F, but it’s yet to show signs of bubbling. (noon on Tuesday). I’m still hopeful that it’s just a late bloomer, but will pitch yeast on Thursday if still nothing. My question is, should I keep on your lagering schedule, regardless, or would it be better to keep things at 48-50F until I see some action? Cheers!

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      September 11, 2018 at 10:30 AM

      Lagers can take quite a bit longer to get started than ales, I’d recommend bringing it up to 55ºF to see if that kicks things off.

      I actually recently just did a Munich Dunkel at 55ºF the whole fermentation because I was going away for a week and wouldn’t be around to adjust the temps–turned out really nice! Though I think you could still bump it up to ~60ºF once things get rocking after a few days at 55ºF.

      Reply
      • Matthew Coomber says

        September 11, 2018 at 10:35 AM

        Hey, thanks, Derek! I’ll give it a try

        Reply
  12. Let Us Drink Beer says

    April 20, 2019 at 4:05 PM

    Derek, I know you wrote this blog post a while back; but I just stumbled upon it while doing some background research on Vienna Lager. It’s one of my favorite styles of beer. Thanks for writing this, it helped clear up some confusion for me regarding the color of “original” Vienna Lagers. It seems most of the craft beer examples today are a little darker than the original would have been. That must be more of the influence from the Mexican versions. One thing that is still confusing is Negra Modelo. They describe their beer as a Munich Dunkel style; but I’ve seen reputable places describe it as a Vienna Lager. I am not sure they use much, if any Vienna Malt, in their gain bill. Any thoughts on that?

    Reply
    • Derek Springer says

      April 20, 2019 at 4:54 PM

      IMO, Mexican “Viennas” are great in their own way, but kinda their own distinct thing. I could drink a Negra Modo all day, but it’s more International Dark Lager than Vienna.

      If you wanted to make one halfway between I’d do like 70% Vienna, 20% (flaked) corn, 7.5% Caramunich, and 2.5% dark roasted malt. The corn adds a nice round sweetness that I really enjoy and is more accurate to the Mexican styles.

      Reply
      • Let Us Drink Beer says

        April 20, 2019 at 7:20 PM

        Hey, that’s great stuff. I am very fond of this style and wish more breweries had a version in their everyday lineup. I don’t think I’ve had anything quite like your recipe. The closest is a local brewer here in Atlanta Arches Brewing. They make one using Vienna and Carafa Malt. It seems to perfectly compliment the Magnum, Hallertauer and Hersbruker hops they use. It’s a favorite. Thanks again for the feedback!

        Reply

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